This is my favourite set on TLE thus far. Superb work. Utterly thrilling.
Lovely bald pussy. The reason I gave this set 9/10 is because I'd've loved to see her stuff that juicy pink hole with a thick phallus. A cucumber would have been perfect.
One of the more disturbing sets featured on TLE and not sexy in any way.
Autoerotic asphyxiation kills people.
Not cool, not glamorous, not sexy.
I guess, like anything, it's okay to those who are into it, and a mystery to those of us who are not? It's a step too far for me... but I think if we are going to push boundaries, we have to accept that others may draw the line in a different place to us.
I'm all for accepting and tolerating others' tastes and respectfully disagreeing, but I disagree that we need to glamorize or publicize actually dangerous practices such as autoerotic asphyxiation. People don't die from BDSM or from watersports. People die from autoerotic asphyxiation. Not knowing their limits, not knowing how to do it safely, doing it carefully but making one mistake... people die from this.
Sure, I take your point... it's a safety concern, not a moral judgement. Although I guess you could say all sexual practices have an element of risk... but I understand the point you're making. Still not sure where I stand on this issue, it needs further thought...! :-)
Yes, you said it, Rose, I didn't manage to communicate what I was trying to say.
My concern is not a moral judgment as such: although there is an element of personal antipathy tied up in my statement as well, and it is analogous to my disappointment every time a model is featured smoking cigarettes in one of these sets or films in the sense on the one hand that we should not any longer be featuring, publicizing or glamorizing activities that real people do, but that are actively harmful to them.
And on the other hand, that there is no need to depict or publicize or glamorize. i.e. one could argue that there is a long tradition of depicting people smoking in the recorded arts for example; but my answer to that would be, in how many stories that we tell today, is smoking actually an integral, necessary part of a story such that leaving it out would damage the story?
We don't have to condemn smoking and we don't have to condemn autoerotic asphyxiation, for example. Real people do do these activities; but for what reason is it necessary to depict them? By depicting them, to a certain degree we are saying "this is an OK thing to do, this is safe to do and acceptable." We do not have to say "we condemn this thing" ~ but... do we need to implicitly say "this dangerous thing is OK and we accept it" ?
I know this is a long, labored explanation but I hope it helps to explain my objection a little better.
I love that you always take the time to really think through your argument, fer_realz – it's never just a knee-jerk reaction. And I think I agree with you... but... my only reservation is that I think "art," however you define that, plays an important role in reflecting things as they are, as well as how they should or could be. And there are people who are into this... and it may be a taboo practice but it's not illegal, doesn't harm others, doesn't harm yourself if you do it right... so I don't know if I agree that it shouldn't be shown. Do we become like a "nanny state" if we decide what is good for other people? Or is it better to say, "I wouldn't do this myself, and I wouldn't advise you to do it either, but if you are going to, here's how to do it safely"?
That's an interesting question, Rose. Personally, regarding politics, the "nanny state" argument has never really bothered me the way it bothers a lot of Americans. As for TLE, it's a private institution (not a government) so that argument doesn't hold. (: However, I see the argument you're making.
I still think your argument does not hold up for the simple reason that the entire MAVerse has had standards the entire time it's been in existence. Certainly these standards have evolved and changed over time, but there have always been standards. e.g. the "no tats/no touch" standards on MA, which have been relaxed just a little bit but not done away with. Or the no anal standard on SA which has been slightly relaxed but not done away with.
Given, TLE is supposed to be pushing the envelope and is supposed to be kinky and I am taking it that it is to be the most extreme of the MAVerse sites. However, unless I am mistaken, that doesn't mean "no standards at all" or perhaps in this case the term "limits" would be better.
Am I wrong? Are all bets off? In other words, the point of my question is twofold. If all bets are off, what WILL TLE show? And who decides?
Personally my votes as a member would be: there should still be standards and limits. We should not show things that are harmful or potentially harmful. For example, as I've said, I don't like BDSM and sure I'll complain about how much bondage has been being shown lately, but that doesn't mean I think you shouldn't show it.
My standard is that autoerotic asphyxiation is INHERENTLY dangerous. You say "it isn't harmful if you do it right." My point is, if you DON'T do it right ~ it is harmful, could lead to permanent damage, paralysis, or death ~ and I don't know what would be worse.
As examples of my limits, I would say I don't think TLE should show huffing (I've heard some people do that to enhance their sexual rush) or autoerotic asphyxiation or smoking. Because all of these things lead to harm or possibly death.
And it's not about regulating other peoples' behavior, it's about making a conscious decision to show only sexual practices that aren't harmful.
You're absolutely right, fer_realz – however kinky we go with TLE, it will never be "no limits" – the network is just not that kind of place. Where we draw the line, now that's the interesting and difficult question to answer. Ultimately, the decision lies with our Content Manager (who takes these things seriously, of course – but I know you already guessed that). I will bring this conversation to his attention in case he hasn't seen it, as I think he will want to consider what you've written carefully.
Thank you Rose, and I am grateful to the MAVerse as a whole for first pioneering the comments forum on MA and then extending it to the entire network so that members can do just what I am doing, i.e. expressing our opinions and perhaps contributing to the direction our sites take.
To clarify one point you raised a few comments back ~ sometimes my reactions are knee-jerk but I think that that is not improper. I think there is room in our discussions for knee-jerk reactions, if the images bother or impress us enough. For example, once I figured out in this set that the images were of a young lady hanging herself, you better believe I had an instant knee-jerk reaction, hence my original comment.
Likewise, when a young lady impresses me as an extraordinary beauty, I often comment as a knee-jerk reaction. But... sex and sexuality are like that. And erotica should be true to that part of sexuality, while there is certainly room for calculation and planning and expertise, there is also room for the controlled chaos that is art as well, and that should most certainly inspire knee-jerk reactions.
All that being said, thank you for engaging in this discussion with me, so that I could develop the thoughts inspired by and behind my knee-jerk reaction. I appreciate that, Rose.
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